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08 August 2008 @ 10:59 pm
It's nice how politics has helped us define the level of punishment and statute of limitations for infidelity.
 
Had a recent affair? You're a disgrace and need to go away. (John Edwards)
Had a recent affair with a prostitute? You can no longer be Governor (Eliot Spitzer) BUT you can still be a Senator (David Vitter).
Had an affair in the 90s? You get to speak on Wednesday at the Democratic Convention. (Bill Clinton)
Had an affair in the 70s? You get to be the Republican nominee for President. (John McCain)
Had an affair in the 60s? You're a beloved President. (John F Kennedy)
 
 
27 May 2008 @ 05:47 pm

http://www.mrsuper.org/2008/05/florida-michiga.html

The history of the Florida/Michigan problem.

 
 
26 May 2008 @ 03:48 pm
Even more evidence the Michigan vote totals are illegitimate....

Actual Results with Obama and Edwards off the ballot:
Clinton 55
Uncommitted 40

CNN Exit Poll that night on who people would have voted for if there was a regular ballot with all candidates:
Clinton 46
Obama 35
Edwards 12

In that exit poll, 18% of Obama's would-be supporters said they voted for Clinton because Obama was not on the ballot. 30% of Edwards' would-be supporters said they voted for Clinton because Edwards was not on the ballot. So to even consider the 55% vote that Clinton got actual Clinton voters is unfair because about 10% of all voters voted for Clinton and would've voted for Obama and Edwards if there was a fair ballot. That doesn't even include all of those who stayed home and voted in the Republican primary because Obama/Edwards were off the ballot.
 
 
 
25 May 2008 @ 05:57 pm

"I have never seen anything like it. I have never seen a candidate treated so disrespectfully just for running."- Bill Clinton today

Given that the Obama campaign continues to acknowledge the nomination is not decided and has not called for Hillary Clinton to drop out, wouldn't it be more disrespectful for them to simply ignore her and pretend the nomination was wrapped up? They would have precedent on their side though. Some presidential candidate in the past completely ignored his opponent prior to clinching the magic number for the nomination....

From the May 11, 1992 New York Times: "Aides to Mr. Clinton say that in most of the remaining primaries he will ignore the former Governor of California, Edmund G. Brown Jr., and will try to give voters a clearer sense of his own personality and his positions on major issues, in preparation for a general election campaign against President Bush."

To top it off, Clinton threw in another lie....

"She is winning the general election today and he is not, according to all the evidence," Clinton said.

Fivethirtyeight.com has them both winning, mydd.com has them both winning, RealClearPolitics' national poll average has Obama beating McCain by more than Clinton is beating McCain. Don't let the truth override a good quote though.

 
 
22 May 2008 @ 05:37 pm
So Michigan and Florida were perfectly legitimate primaries that were no different from the others? Look at the map. Of those primaries that were contested in both parties, Democratic turnout was higher in all but 5 states...Arizona (John McCain's home state), Utah (Mitt Romney's Mormon paradise), Alabama (The Reddest of Red States).....and Michigan and Florida. As if there weren't enough reasons to believe Michigan and Florida were not legitimate, it's pretty clear that only a certain percentage of those who would have voted actually voted in the primaries so they do not accurately reflect what the will of the people would have been if the primaries had counted at the time.

 
 
 

How have gender and race affected the primary results? Are sexist voters costing Hillary Clinton this nomination? Using CNN exit polls, I determine how gender and race have influenced primary results. Of course, this isn't definitive because people can lie but since there is no reason to believe people lie more about one than the other, it seems like a pretty fair measure. Using data from 20 states, 11 that Clinton won and 9 that Obama won from different areas of the country, the results are:

Summary of results:
-Gender helps Clinton. In 18 of the 20 states, she got more of the vote among those who said gender was an important factor compared to the population at large. The only 2 states where she did worse were Alabama and Mississippi. In 9 of the 20 states, Clinton does 25 or more points better among those who said gender was an important factor.
Average Gender Benefit among Gender voters compared to Population at large: Clinton +21.7

-Race also helps Clinton not Obama. In 11 of the 20 states, she got more of the vote among those who said race was an important factor compared to the population at large. Obama did better in 8 of the 20 states. In Arkansas, voters who said race was an important factor had the same margin as the population at large. Obama did not do better than 15 points better among those who said race was an important factor in any of the 20 states. In Kentucky, Clinton did 30 points better among those who said race was an important factor compared to the population at large, her biggest increase.
Average Race Benefit among Race voters compared to Population at large: Clinton +2.05

**If you don't care about the details, don't bother reading below this point.**

Oregon Baseline: Obama 59 Clinton 41
Gender was important factor in vote (17% of voters): Clinton 55 Obama 45
Gender bump: Clinton +28
Race was important factor in vote (10% of voters): Obama 53 Clinton 47
Race bump: Clinton +12

Kentucky Baseline: Clinton 65 Obama 30
Gender was important factor in vote (16% of voters): Clinton 79 Obama 19
Gender bump: Clinton +25
Race was important factor in vote (21% of voters): Clinton 81 Obama 16
Race bump: Clinton +30

North Carolina Baseline: Obama 56 Clinton 42
Gender was important factor in vote (21% of voters): Obama 54 Clinton 43
Gender bump: Clinton +3
Race was important factor in vote (18% of voters): Obama 64 Clinton 35
Race bump: Obama +15

Indiana Baseline: Clinton 51 Obama 49
Gender was important factor in vote (16% of voters): Clinton 59 Obama 41
Gender bump: Clinton +16
Race was important factor in vote (16% of voters): Clinton 53 Obama 47
Race bump: Clinton +4

Pennsylvania Baseline: Clinton 55 Obama 45
Gender was important factor in vote (20% of voters): Clinton 72 Obama 28
Gender bump: Clinton +32
Race was important factor in vote (19% of voters): Clinton 59 Obama 41
Race bump: Clinton +8

Mississippi Baseline: Obama 61 Clinton 37
Gender was important factor in vote (28% of voters): Obama 69 Clinton 29
Gender bump: Obama +6
Race was important factor in vote (31% of voters): Obama 62 Clinton 36
Race bump: Obama +2

Ohio Baseline: Clinton 54 Obama 44
Gender was important factor in vote (17% of voters): Clinton 60 Obama 40
Gender bump: Clinton +10
Race was important factor in vote (20% of voters): Clinton 59 Obama 39
Race bump: Clinton +10

Texas Baseline: Clinton 51 Obama 47
Gender was important factor in vote (23% of voters): Clinton 60 Obama 40
Gender bump: Clinton +16
Race was important factor in vote (19% of voters): Clinton 52 Obama 47
Race bump: Clinton +1

Vermont Baseline: Obama 59 Clinton 39
Gender was important factor in vote (17% of voters): Clinton 67 Obama 33
Gender bump: Clinton +54
Race was important factor in vote (13% of voters): Obama 58 Clinton 42
Race bump: Clinton +4

Rhode Island Baseline: Clinton 58 Obama 40
Gender was important factor in vote (21% of voters): Clinton 75 Obama 25
Gender bump: Clinton +32
Race was important factor in vote (18% of voters): Clinton 65 Obama 35
Race bump: Clinton +12

Wisconsin Baseline: Obama 58 Clinton 41
Gender was important factor in vote (15% of voters): Clinton 63 Obama 37
Gender bump: Clinton +43
Race was important factor in vote (13% of voters): Obama 50 Clinton 46
Race bump: Clinton +13

Louisiana Baseline: Obama 57 Clinton 36
Gender was important factor in vote (24% of voters): Obama 54 Clinton 39
Gender bump: Clinton +6
Race was important factor in vote (25% of voters): Obama 53 Clinton 38
Race bump: Clinton +6

California Baseline: Clinton 52 Obama 43
Gender was important factor in vote (23% of voters): Clinton 70 Obama 26
Gender bump: Clinton +35
Race was important factor in vote (17% of voters): Clinton 61 Obama 38
Race bump: Clinton +14

Georgia Baseline: Obama 67 Clinton 31
Gender was important factor in vote (18% of voters): Obama 54 Clinton 42
Gender bump: Clinton +24
Race was important factor in vote (21% of voters): Obama 72 Clinton 24
Race bump: Obama +12

Tennessee Baseline: Clinton 54 Obama 41
Gender was important factor in vote (22% of voters): Clinton 59 Obama 33
Gender bump: Clinton +13
Race was important factor in vote (21% of voters): Clinton 52 Obama 42
Race bump: Obama +3

New York Baseline: Clinton 57 Obama 40
Gender was important factor in vote (25% of voters): Clinton 81 Obama 19
Gender bump: Clinton +45
Race was important factor in vote (18% of voters): Clinton 56 Obama 42
Race bump: Obama +3

Illinois Baseline: Obama 65 Clinton 33
Gender was important factor in vote (23% of voters): Obama 56 Clinton 42
Gender bump: Clinton +18
Race was important factor in vote (23% of voters): Obama 72 Clinton 27
Race bump: Obama +13

New Jersey Baseline: Clinton 54 Obama 44
Gender was important factor in vote (20% of voters): Clinton 72 Obama 25
Gender bump: Clinton +37
Race was important factor in vote (19% of voters): Obama 49 Clinton 47
Race bump: Obama +12

Alabama Baseline: Obama 56 Clinton 42
Gender was important factor in vote (28% of voters): Obama 56 Clinton 41
Gender bump: Obama +1
Race was important factor in vote (29% of voters): Obama 62 Clinton 35
Race bump: Obama +13

Arkansas Baseline: Clinton 70 Obama 26
Gender was important factor in vote (19% of voters): Clinton 71 Obama 23
Gender bump: Clinton +4
Race was important factor in vote (18% of voters): Clinton 68 Obama 24
Race bump: No change

 
 
21 May 2008 @ 08:09 pm

And yet more proof that the Clinton campaign doesn't give a shit about Michigan and Florida and are only pushing for them out of self-interest. Bottom line is 4 years ago, Terry McAuliffe, as DNC Chair, took the exact same position on Michigan that Howard Dean and the DNC have taken this year yet this year, as a member of the Clinton campaign, McAuliffe has been vehemently calling for the exact opposite. It's a complete sham, typical of the Clinton campaign. Of course, this adds to the fact that Hillary Clinton was quoted AND signed a document saying that Michigan and Florida will not count and she will not participate in their primaries.

An excerpt from Terry McAuliffe's book:

"I'm going outside the primary window," [Michigan Sen. Carl Levin] told me definitively.

"If I allow you to do that, the whole system collapses," I said. "We will have chaos. I let you make your case to the DNC, and we voted unanimously and you lost."

He kept insisting that they were going to move up Michigan on their own, even though if they did that, they would lose half their delegates. By that point Carl and I were leaning toward each other over a table in the middle of the room, shouting and dropping the occasional expletive.

"You won't deny us seats at the convention," he said.

"Carl, take it to the bank," I said. "They will not get a credential. The closest they'll get to Boston will be watching it on television. I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules. If you want to call my bluff, Carl, you go ahead and do it."

We glared at each other some more, but there was nothing much left to say. I was holding all the cards and Levin knew it.

 
 
20 May 2008 @ 10:58 pm
Oh Bill Kristol, are you EVER right?

"Since Wisconsin on February 19th, Hillary Clinton has beaten Barack Obama handily in terms of primaries won and popular vote."

Since Wisconsin on February 19:
Hillary Clinton has won 7 of the 13 primaries assuming she loses Oregon. By the end of the primary season, she'll have won 8 of the last 16 and only about 1/3 of the primaries overall.
She's won 52.5-47.5 in the popular vote out of 12 million votes cast not counting the votes in Oregon which will decrease that lead.

So after Obama rattled off 11 straight wins and won the majority of states on Super Tuesday before that, Hillary Clinton has managed to do just better than even the rest of the way in states that favored her from the start. Wow, how is she not the nominee?
 
 
25 February 2008 @ 04:01 pm
The 5 Stages of Grief:

1. Denial

"The only way I know how to do it is to believe with all my heart that I'm going to be successful. That's what I get up every day and tell myself. That's what I believe. That's what I think is going to happen. So I don't-- I don't entertain the other option..."

"Well, it will be me....No I haven't [considered the possibility it won't be me]."

2. Anger

"Shame on you, Barack Obama. It is time you ran a campaign consistent with your messages in public. That’s what I expect from you. Meet me in Ohio. Lets have a debate about your tactics and your behavior on this campaign."

"I want to make change, but I've already made change! I will continue to make change!"

3. Bargaining

"Well, I have to agree with everything Barack just said [about a potential Obama and Clinton pairing]. This has been an extraordinary campaign, and I think both of us have been overwhelmed by the response that we have engendered, the kind of enthusiasm and intensity that people feel about each of us. And so, clearly, we are both dedicated to doing the best we can to win the nomination, but there is no doubt we will have a unified Democratic Party."

4. Depression

"Well that hurts my feelings. I don't think I'm that bad."

"It's not easy. It's not easy, and I couldn't do it if I didn't passionately believe it was the right thing to do. You know, I have so many opportunities from this country just don't want to see us fall backwards. (Eyes welling up a bit) You know, this is very personal for me."

5. Acceptance

"I am honored to be on this stage with Barack Obama."

"You know, whatever happens, we're going to be fine. You know, we have strong support from our families and our friends."
 
 
01 February 2008 @ 08:46 pm

A post by Michael Scherer on Time.com's Swampland blog...

"On Thursday afternoon, political reporters across the country received a gushing email from the Republican National Committee, with a big picture of Barack Obama next to the words “Obama: Most Liberal Senator In 2007.” It was a reference to the National Journal, Washington’s big-deal political trade magazine, which released its annual bipolar rankings of the Senate. The results: Hillary Clinton was the 16th most liberal member of the Senate. Barack Obama was #1.

For those Democrats who still have nightmares from the 2004 election, the importance of this fact is unmistakable. Back then, Republicans repeatedly tarred nominee John Kerry with the fact that he had been ranked as the #1 most liberal member of Senate in 2003. Could it all be happening again? If Obama is the nominee, you can bet on it. In point of fact, both Obama and Clinton are relatively liberal members of the Senate. But “most liberal”? That sounds a bit like being the drunkest guy at a Superbowl party—not something to be proud of in a general election.

The more interesting question, though, is, Does this “most liberal” ranking actually mean anything? And the answer, once you look at the National Journal’s methodology, is not really. I say this only because I got an email from Dave Meyer, a researcher here in DC, who is one of the many usually-unnamed people who toil behind the scenes in Washington brokering in information. Here is what Meyer wrote:

I actually browsed through the scorecard National Journal used to determine the ranking. There are precisely two scored votes where Obama took the liberal position and Clinton took the conservative. The first was Joe Lieberman's S.Amdt. 30 to S.Amdt. 3 to S.1 The Amendment was "To establish a Senate Office of Public Integrity." Here's the roll call of the 27-71 vote. Joining Obama on the "liberal" side -- meaning the side in support of Joe Lieberman's amendment -- were Republicans Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe Chuck Grassley, and John McCain.

The second was Jeff Bingaman's S.Amdt. 1267 to S.Amdt.1150 to S.1348, the Immigration Reform bill. The Amendment was "To remove the requirement that Y-1 nonimmigrant visa holders leave the United States before they are able to renew their visa." Here's the roll call of the 41-57 vote (60 votes needed to pass, so it failed by 19). Joining Obama on the "liberal' side were Richard Shelby, Chuck Hagel, and Tom Coburn.

So there you have it. Obama is more liberal than Clinton because he voted with John McCain, the most likely Republican nominee, and Tom Coburn, one of the Senate's most conservative members. Ain’t political rankings a wonderful thing."

 
 
24 January 2008 @ 10:32 pm
Pretty likely things won't change again, my opinions have been pretty consistent and unchanging lately...

1. Barack Obama (D)(would almost definitely vote for/endorse)
2. John McCain (R)(would probably vote for/endorse)
3. Ron Paul (R)(would probably vote for/endorse)
4. John Edwards (D)(might vote for/endorse)
5. Hillary Clinton (D)(will almost definitely not vote for/endorse)
6. Mitt Romney (R)(will almost definitely not vote for/endorse)
7. Mike Huckabee (R)(will almost definitely not vote for/endorse)
8. Rudy Giuliani (R)(will almost definitely not vote for/endorse)
 
 
14 January 2008 @ 04:51 pm
 If I had to bet, I would now say the nominees will be Hillary Clinton and the winner of Michigan tomorrow, either McCain or Romney. Obama might win Nevada and South Carolina but probably not by much and Hillary will probably win Florida and get the media bump despite them having no delegates. I just don't think Obama has the time to turn the big states on Super Tuesday. Whoever wins the Republican side will probably get enough of a bump to win Nevada and South Carolina and then roll right through Florida and Super Tuesday. Of course this is all assuming there are no major gaffes or tears shed. Obviously, it would probably help Obama if Edwards would drop out and endorse him instead of continuing to strip away "Change" votes.

I'll throw out new rankings though little has changed except for Bill Richardson's exit and a drop to 3 tiers instead of 4.

1. Barack Obama (D)(small gaffe when he said his 2004 comments were to protect Kerry/Edwards)
2. John McCain (R)(media ignored his "one way ticket" joke that was probably over the line)
3. Ron Paul (R)(needs to work on debate skills to slam opponents)
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4. Fred Thompson (R)(aided by process of elimination)
5. John Edwards (D)(please drop out and endorse Obama)
6. Hillary Clinton (D)(continues to mislead about her and Obama's record)
7. Mitt Romney (R)(killed by his terrible pander-filled campaign)
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8. Mike Huckabee (R)(nice guy, not qualified to be President)
9. Rudy Giuliani (R)(stop telling Ron Paul his logic is flawed)
 
 
12 January 2008 @ 09:41 am
"In broken English, one woman told Clinton how she wasn't making money as a broker anymore.

"I have no income at all," she said. "So how will I survive?"

Choking up with emotion, the woman said, "In my neighborhood, there are brand-new homes, but the value is nothing. I'm glad you are here so I can tell you, because you're going to be the president, I know."

A man shouted through an opening in the wall that his wife was illegal.

"No woman is illegal," Clinton said, to cheers."


I don't know how Obama and Edwards specifically feel about this, but this is the second time that Hillary Clinton has made a ridiculous remark about illlegal immigrants and I posted about the last one too. Last time..."Clinton criticized the immigration bill proposed in the last Congress, dominated by Republicans. That legislation would have penalized those who help illegal immigrants. 'I said it would have criminalized the good Samaritan. It would have criminalized Jesus Christ,' she said."

We have laws. If you break the law, you're a criminal. All this "Well, they're all God's children" stuff is bullshit. What if 1 billion people worldwide decided they wanted to come here. This country can't handle the burden of the entire world's population while only a small percentage pay taxes to our government.

If you cross the border without permission, you're a criminal, certainly more of a criminal than someone with a minor marijuana charge who ends up in jail for their act. I'm not sure why they think this strategy will appeal to Hispanic voters. If I was a legal Hispanic immigrant, I would be pissed as hell that I did everything by the book and these other people are getting in by running across the border; perhaps they feel differently. Meanwhile, stop pandering and cut off the incentives. If you crack down on businesses and government benefits, most of them will just go home.

I hate to side with people like Tom Tancredo because frankly I think his motivations for being so opposed to illegal immigration are racist and xenophobic but generally he's right.
 
 
 
04 January 2008 @ 03:26 pm
Joe Biden and Chris Dodd have dropped out of the race. Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, and Duncan Hunter have been ruled unofficially dead as well so the race is basically down to 10 (though Richardson is really dead too). Since so many have been dumped, I won't include old rankings since they don't really apply. I'd say it breaks down into 4 tiers for me so I've split them up that way.

1. Barack Obama (D)
2. John McCain (R)
3. Ron Paul (R)
--------------------------------
4. Fred Thompson (R)
5. John Edwards (D)
6. Hillary Clinton (D)
--------------------------------
7. Bill Richardson (D)
8. Mitt Romney (R)
9. Mike Huckabee (R)
--------------------------------
10. Rudy Giuliani (R) 

Thankfully, Obama won Iowa and there's a decent chance Obama and McCain will win New Hampshire. Also, Rudy Giuliani seems to be running an incredibly dumb strategy but I guess we won't find out until next month.
 
 
03 January 2008 @ 05:35 pm
Hooray Pork!

http://thepage.time.com/press-release-from-sen-clintons-office/

Washington, DC – Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton today welcomed the announcement by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to award the State of New York a federal grant of $1,568,442.75 toward the repair of the Skidelsky Memorial Field in New Rochelle that was destroyed by the April 2007 nor’easter’. At the request of Governor Elliot Spitzer, Westchester was among the counties the President declared a disaster area. 
 
 
19 December 2007 @ 12:21 pm
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071219/OPINION01/712190340/1166/OPINION01

An article in the Des Moines Register endorsing Obama even though the paper officially endorsed Clinton. I just thought it was pretty good. It leaves out some things but pretty much aligns with my thoughts on the Democratic race. 
 
 
15 December 2007 @ 10:15 pm
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/12/15/globe_endorses_mccain_obama/

The Boston Globe matched my current endorsements of Barack Obama and John McCain. Unfortunately, the Des Moines Register, which may have some sway over Iowa voters, selected Hillary Clinton over Obama. At least the DMR also chose McCain. Perhaps this will give him some good press so he can surge late. I doubt he'll win Iowa but if he can perhaps finish 3rd, there's a chance he could go through and sweep Michigan, New Hampshire, and South Carolina if things broke his way. Clearly the movement in the Republican polls have shown the race has no clear frontrunner.

From the Boston Globe:
''It is true that all the other Democratic contenders have more conventional resumes, and have spent more time in Washington,'' the board wrote. "But that exposure has tended to give them a sense of government’s constraints. Obama is more open to its possibilities.''
 
 
 
15 December 2007 @ 11:19 am

Very little has changed since November. I guess it makes sense that my opinions of the candidates would stabilize after so many months of campaigning. I would still only endorse the top 4 candidates so anything after 4 is somewhat insignificant. The toughest decisions are from 5-8. Fred Thompson and Chris Dodd seem to benefit a lot from process of elimination.

1(1). Barack Obama (D)
2(2). Joe Biden (D)
3(3). John McCain (R)
4(4). Ron Paul (R)
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5(7). Chris Dodd (D)(tie)
5(6). John Edwards (D)(tie)
5(5). Fred Thompson (R)(tie)
8(8). Hillary Clinton (D)
9(9). Bill Richardson (D)
10(10). Mitt Romney (R)
11(11). Mike Huckabee (R)(tie)
11(12). Dennis Kucinich (D)(tie)
13(15). Mike Gravel (D)
14(13). Rudy Giuliani (R)(tie)
14(13). Duncan Hunter (R)(tie)
16(16). Tom Tancredo (R)

 
 
11 December 2007 @ 09:12 am
 “I asked her to do the hardest thing of all, health care and we got whipped. When [Hillary] got beat, she did what she’s always done … she didn’t fold her tent.”- Bill Clinton

Not only did she fold her tent, she moved into the enemy tent. They didn't bring up health care again for the rest of his time in office and she became the 2nd largest recipient of health care lobbying money in the Senate. It's unfortunate that Bill has to lose all credibility by campaigning for his wife. I've slowly lost respect for him this year as he's said pretty much anything, no matter how nonsensical, to support her. Not that the other spouses wouldn't do the same probably, but it's still disappointing.
 
 
10 December 2007 @ 07:46 pm

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/moneymag/0712/gallery.candidates.moneymag/index.html

Net Worth of the Major Presidential Candidates:
Hillary Clinton- $34.9 million
John Edwards- $54.7 million (24 million in hedge funds)
Rudy Giuliani- $52.2 million (2 4+ million dollar homes)
John McCain- $40.4 million (surprising)
Barack Obama- $1.3 million
Mitt Romney- $202 million (18.7 million in homes)
Fred Thompson- $8.1 million

I think I've found the other America that John Edwards is always talking about. Does he really have 24 million still in hedge funds? That's just brutally bad.

 
 
15 November 2007 @ 10:32 pm
New rankings, no specifics on this one though not much has changed. Most importantly, there's still no movement from the fact that I only endorse the top 4.

1(1). Barack Obama (D)
2(2). Joe Biden (D)
3(3). John McCain (R)
4(4). Ron Paul (R)
-----------------------------------
5(5). Fred Thompson (R)
6(6). Chris Dodd (D)
7(6). John Edwards (D)
8(6). Hillary Clinton (D)
9(9). Bill Richardson (D)
10(11). Mitt Romney (R)
11(11). Mike Huckabee (R)
12(10). Dennis Kucinich (D)
13(11). Duncan Hunter (R)(tie)
13(11). Rudy Giuliani (R)(tie)
15(15). Mike Gravel (D)
16(16). Tom Tancredo (R)
 
 
15 November 2007 @ 10:31 pm

What the hell is CNN talking about? I never bought the whole Clinton News Network thing but they are on fire tonight kissing Hillary's ass and knocking Obama.

Critique 1- Obama waffled on the licenses for illegals.

False. He gave a concise one word answer, YES. He said other things too and stressed the need and possibility of reform, that's not waffling. He never once said anything but that he supported it. Waffling is Hillary's nonsense from last debate.

Critique 2- Obama didn't admit the surge was doing well at all. (David Gergen, former member of the Clinton Administration)

False. He did cite the fact that the violence is down due to the increased number of troops in certain neighborhoods. He did (correctly) state that that was not enough though because we're supposed to getting political progress, not just less violence.

They also have made absolutely no mention of Hillary's huge error claiming that people who make over $97,500 getting a payroll tax addition would be a tax increase on the middle class when only 6% of people make that much which he called her out on.

I guess the media, or at least CNN, has decided that the narrative for this debate is the return of Dominant Hillary. What a joke.

 
 
15 November 2007 @ 10:18 pm
I'm really bothered at the stupid debate audience tonight that booed every time someone brought up an extremely legitimate complaint about Hillary Clinton. Better we should all play nice and then wait for the Republicans to destroy her for her stupid positions in the general election? It's time to weed out the losers in both parties and that requires offering the cold hard truth. Ronald Reagan's 11th Commandment about never criticizing a member of your party is absolute bullshit and the only people helped by that are the parties themselves not the people. It is a disgrace that they're bringing up things that she is clearly BSing and yet they reject it. Obama called her out for trying to pretend that raising the social security payroll tax would be a tax increase on the middle class by saying that only 6% of people make that much money so it's the upper class not the middle class and the idiots booed. Why are you booing? Because Obama and Edwards are exposing the frontrunner as a fraud? They asked the candidates if they would support the nominee no matter who it is. Granted I'm not a Democrat, but there's no way I could do that. Candidate evaluation is not a partisan issue, it's an individual issue. If you're satisfied with every candidate in the party, you're probably thinking too much about the strength of the party and not the strength of policy.

A side note, Bill Richardson keeps talking about being positive and yet he keeps taking potshots like citing Congress' approval ratings. That doesn't sound positive to me. It is not Obama, Dodd, Biden, Kucinich, and Clinton's fault that Congress has a low approval rating. The polls actually seem to show that the public wants the Congress to get more Democratic not less, so it seems like the Republican resistance is what's fueling the low ratings.
 
 
11 November 2007 @ 10:54 am
Hillary Clinton likes to talk about her great strength and experience that will help to bring change. But what are the 2 biggest moments of her political career? 1993 Health Care and 2002 Iraq authorization. As far as I can tell, those were 2 massive failures for her. Is that a record that should inspire anyone to vote for her? Granted her entire career isn't just two moments but frankly I don't see anything that she can point to to show her great record. She certainly didn't learn anything from the failures. Following the 1993 Health Care trouble, she said "Well if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" and decided to take tons of money from health care lobbyists. Following the 2002 Iraq vote, she didn't learn anything and went right along with the Kyl/Lieberman vote on Iran. She says there was no reason to believe it would be used as a blank check by President Bush but that's what she supposedly thought after the 2002 vote too and that didn't work out well. On big moments, Barack Obama is 1 for 1. He got the Iraq war issue right. At least the other senators have apologized for their mistake and learned from it, Hillary Clinton continues to try sit on the fence and play tough on defense while pandering to the base with anti-Republican, anti-war rhetoric. So Hillary Clinton has some valuable experience as a senator and first lady, but I've yet to see her put it to good use. 
 
 
09 November 2007 @ 10:40 am
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/politics/2007/11/08/qa-with-sen-tom-coburn-the-earmark-foe.html

"Earmarks is the symptom of the disease. What's the disease? The disease is a comparison of us versus what's best for our country. When I ran, what I said is that the biggest problem in our country was the culture of Congress because the culture is the thing that limits the Congress from doing what is best in the long term for the country."

It's nice to know there are at least a few people in Congress trying to do the right thing. It's a message on spending very similar to Ron Paul's. Paul was on The Situation Room yesterday and Wolf Blitzer asked him about some bills that passed the House with almost unanimous support. The 1 vote against came from Ron Paul. These bills included a number of resolutions on international problems and one to give Rose Parks a gold medal. The things he's voting against sound like no-brainer winners but they're not. On the international problems, Paul explained that there is no reason for the US to get entangled in making resolutions about things that are not our business. He mentioned how much trouble that resolution condemning Turkey in 1915 for harming Armenians almost got us into when Nancy Pelosi tried to push it through inexplicably. The Rosa Parks one comes down to the function of the federal government. He agrees she deserves a medal, but who is he to say that the federal government should be using tax dollars to give her one? If a private group wants her to have a medal, they should pay for it themselves; it's not the government's mandate to spend money on these kind of things.

Criticizing Hillary Clinton for that $1,000,000 Woodstock museum was somewhat of a cheap shot by John McCain because that kind of wasteful spending is committed by virtually all of Congress, but it's true that McCain has been like Coburn and Paul in fighting against pork and earmarks. At least a number of presidential candidates have come out against wasteful spending, but I remain skeptical about whether many of them will actually do anything if elected.
 
 
 
08 November 2007 @ 05:16 pm
When did Time's Person of the Year become a contest for who can come up with the dumbest idea possible? Here are the answers given by some celebrities at a Time conference today. This isn't related to politics but this is just one of those things that bothers me like pretending entertainment news is real news.

Author and activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali: Nicolas Sarkozy
NBC anchor Brian Williams: Mother Earth
MySpace founder Chris DeWolfe: Al Gore
Whoopi Goldberg: "Green"
George Allen: General Petraeus 

Mother Earth and Green? I didn't think there could be a PERSON of the year worse than "you" from last year but apparently there are some people out there looking to top it. Please please pick an actual person this year. If I had to choose from the other 3 suggestions, I would probably go with Petraeus. Sarkozy really didn't do anything but win the election in France and Al Gore's big activities were last year, he just got recognized for them this year. If we're thinking about it in an American-centric frame, Hillary Clinton would probably be a good choice too. The election is becoming a referendum on Hillary.
 
 
02 November 2007 @ 05:42 pm

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani Friday criticized fellow White House hopeful Joe Biden for a lack of foreign policy experience and later denied making such an accusation.

The Republican front-runner was interviewed by South Carolina radio host Andy Gobeil. “You would say Sen. Biden doesn’t have foreign policy experience?” Gobeil asked.

“Has he ever been in the State Department? Has he ever been an executive?” Giuliani replied. “It’s one thing to speak about what you want or even pass laws about it, it’s another thing to actually do it. Foreign policy experience to me means being an ambassador, being in the State Department, being a law enforcement official, dealing with foreign countries.”

At an event later Friday morning, Giuliani denied saying Biden, a Democrat who is the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations committee, lacked foreign policy experience.

“I didn't mention foreign policy,” said Giuliani. “I said Joe Biden fit into the category along with Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and they were all questioned about this at the debate, but he wasn't, and here is the situation. They have in a very strange way - they have never run a city, never run a state, never run a business. Never run anything.” 

This has become the new battle cry for, not surprisingly, Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney. I guess John McCain is somehow not qualified to be President because he was only in the military and then in Congress for decades. I feel like this is becoming a "Rudy Giuliani said something stupid, let's talk about it" blog, but I promise he just does more things to bother me than any other candidate with Romney coming in a close 2nd.

In an unrelated story, I'm disappointed to hear that Obama has missed 80% of the votes in the last few months including the one on the Kyl/Lieberman act. Dodd, Biden, and Clinton have all missed 60-70% as well. Their current jobs should take priority over their campaign trips but it would be nice if a policy was instituted to let individuals campaigning for President vote away from Washington so they can do both.

 
 
30 October 2007 @ 07:59 pm
I've ranked the candidates in the past, but never with specifics on why I have them in each position. I'll post some general feelings about each one though it'll mostly be off the top of my head so I might forget some things and obviously it'll just be a few bullet points so there's a lot more nuance to it that I won't go over. Nothing has changed though, I still only feel comfortable endorsing the top 4 and the rest range from mildly to very troubling. Note that Sam Brownback dropped out so there's 1 less candidate in the rankings. Some things are general complaints about almost every Democrat or Republican so they're not really relevant to any specific individuals.

( ) = Previous ranking

1(1). Barack Obama (D)
Pros- Good speaker, ethics reformer, lobbying reformer, pro-diplomacy, looks to shake up the system
Cons- Some policies too liberal
2(2). Joe Biden (D)
Pros- Iraq plan, foreign policy judgment and experience, straight shooter
Cons- Puts his foot in his mouth sometimes, a little more establishment
3(3). John McCain (R)
Pros- Foreign policy gravitas, McCain-Feingold, ethics, fights earmarks and wasteful spending, bipartisanship, character
Cons- Iraq/Iran policy, quiet conservative social policy
4(4). Ron Paul (R)
Pros- Libertarian ideas, non-interventionalist foreign policy, looks to shake up system
Cons- Might fail to push policies in non-Libertarian Congress, social conservative though he's rarely asked about it
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5(8). Fred Thompson (R)
Pros- More traditional conservative
Cons- Mostly just process of elimination that he's ranked this high, social conservative
6(5). Hillary Clinton (D)(tie)
Pros- Competent, Bill Clinton
Cons- Establishment, too hawkish, too many spending proposals, divisive, not going to do anything about lobbying and Washington corruption
6(5). Chris Dodd (D)(tie)
Pros- Iran policy, Guantanamo policy, hasn't said too many ridiculous things
Cons- Establishment, too liberal on some issues
6(5). John Edwards (D)(tie)
Pros- Claims he will reform Washington lobbying/ethics
Cons- Too liberal economic policies, scandals decrease trust in his character
9(9). Bill Richardson (D)
Pros- Nothing specific to him
Cons- Bad speaker, worse immigration policy, Iraq plan, appears to be an all-resume no judgment candidate
10(10). Dennis Kucinich (D)
Pros- Character
Cons- Too liberal on most policies
11(11). Rudy Giuliani (R)(tie)
Pros- More liberal on social issues
Cons- Knows much less about foreign policy than he thinks he does, packed his advising staff with Neo-cons, secrecy, Bernie Kerik, bully, Iran policy, torture policy, insistence on making asshole ignorant comments on the campaign trail
11(11). Mike Huckabee (R)(tie)
Pros- More reasonable candidate, healthcare experience, good speaker
Cons- More liberal on the wrong issues, some stupid ideas like "Kids fail in school because they're bored because there's no art program"
11(14). Duncan Hunter (R)(tie)
Pros- Actual foreign policy expertise
Cons- Nothing that good, pretty much a one issue candidate
11(11). Mitt Romney (R)(tie)
Pros- Experience in business suggests competence in cleaning up government organizational failures
Cons- Wants amendment banning gay marriage, nonsensical campaign comments, character problems, another one who thinks that being a Republican or a Governor makes him experienced in foreign policy, Iran policy
15(15). Mike Gravel (D)
Pros- Definitely not the establishment
Cons- Behaves like a cranky heckler, not such a great speaker
16(16). Tom Tancredo (R)
Pros- Position on illegal immigration
Cons- Psychosis about illegal immigration, general lunatic, bad speaker
 
 
30 October 2007 @ 02:46 pm
MSNBC's Super Tuesday has proved to be anything but super. It's not surprising, but it is still pathetic that they're spending hours and hours covering the same horserace issues like "When is Obama really going to slam Hillary?", "Is Hillary inevitable?", and "Will Christian conservatives vote for Rudy?" while barely covering the substance. They bring on candidate supporters who behave more like defense attorneys defending their clients and get nothing of value out of them. Everyone loves to bring up the John Kerry Iowa late comeback in 2004 but instead of taking it to heart and not overemphasizing polls that are relatively meaningless, they just keep talking about the polls like the data is written in stone. Of course, FOX and CNN are just as bad but at least they don't devote every other Tuesday (literally) to hours and hours of trivial gossip about the candidates instead of the issues.
 
 
21 October 2007 @ 08:16 pm
Apparently the Republicans have given up on saying 9/11 in every answer. Now Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney are competing to see who can say Hillary Clinton more. I think Romney mentioned her name 5 times in his first 3 responses. It's hilarious watching these morons trying to explain their positions on gay marriage. I guess it stops being funny though when you hear people applauding their ridiculous answers. 
 
 
05 October 2007 @ 10:16 pm
Very little change at the extremes again. I find my opinion of all of these candidates declining as time goes on. It's disappointing I actually have to put someone in 5th, there's a pretty big drop off. I wish someone like Tom Coburn would run minus the social issues or Mike Bloomberg maybe.

*Previous rank in ( )

1(1). Barack Obama (D)
2(2). Joe Biden (D)
3(3). John McCain (R)
4(4). Ron Paul (R)
5(5). Chris Dodd (D)(tie)
5(6). Hillary Clinton (D)(tie)
5(8). John Edwards (D)(tie)
8(7). Fred Thompson (R)
9(11). Bill Richardson (D)
10(9). Dennis Kucinich (D)
11(14). Rudy Giuliani (R)(tie)
11(10). Mike Huckabee (R)(tie)
11(14). Mitt Romney (R)(tie) 
14(12). Duncan Hunter (R)
15(13). Mike Gravel (D)
16(16). Sam Brownback (R)
17(17). Tom Tancredo (R)
 
 
 
21 September 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Pretty much no change at the top or bottom, but some movement in the middle. With every passing week, these people find new ways to embarrass themselves. Again, only the top 4 are candidates I'd feel somewhat comfortable endorsing.

*Previous ranking in (  )

1(1). Barack Obama (D)
2(2). Joe Biden (D)
3(3). John McCain(R)
4(4). Ron Paul(R)
5(9). Chris Dodd (D)
6(5). Hillary Clinton (D)
7(11). Fred Thompson (R)
8(8). John Edwards (D)
9(6). Dennis Kucinich (D)
10(7). Mike Huckabee (R)
11(12). Bill Richardson (D)
12(10). Duncan Hunter (R)
13(13). Mike Gravel (D)
14(14). Mitt Romney (R) (tie)
14(15). Rudy Giuliani (R) (tie)
16(16). Sam Brownback (R)
17(17). Tom Tancredo (R)
 
 
10 September 2007 @ 11:50 am
Not to be outdone by Rudy Giuliani, Hillary Clinton now has her own crazy quote on illegal immigration.

"Clinton criticized the immigration bill proposed in the last Congress, dominated by Republicans. That legislation would have penalized those who help illegal immigrants. 'I said it would have criminalized the good Samaritan. It would have criminalized Jesus Christ,' she said." (CNN Ticker)

You're being a good Samaritan if you aid a criminal? I don't recall any stories about Jesus helping criminals. Do these people not understand what the word illegal means? People who aid illegal immigrants are not like abolitionists who aided escaped slaves. It's one thing if you want to reform the immigration policy, but statements like this are ridiculous. As long as it's against the law, you have to either follow the law or pay the price.
 
 
02 September 2007 @ 12:25 pm
A month has passed and not much has changed. Here's an update on my Presidential endorsement "standings". I've decided to eliminate candidates who aren't actually in the race so Bloomberg, Gore, and Hagel are gone. At this point, the top 4 on the list are the only ones I'd feel comfortable voting for/endorsing.

*Last month's ranking in ( )

1(1). Barack Obama (D)
2(3). Joe Biden (D)
3(5). John McCain (R)
4(4). Ron Paul (R)
5(7). Hillary Clinton (D)
6(NR). Dennis Kucinich (D)
7(NR). Mike Huckabee (R)
8(10). John Edwards (D)
9(NR). Chris Dodd (D)
10(9). Duncan Hunter (R)
11(NR). Fred Thompson (R)
12(NR). Bill Richardson (D)
13(NR). Mike Gravel (D)
14(NR). Mitt Romney (R)
15(NR). Rudy Giuliani (R)
16(NR). Sam Brownback (R)
17(NR). Tom Tancredo (R)
 
 
19 August 2007 @ 08:32 pm
Reactions from today's debate:
-Too many jokes. I know they want to be liked, but I think the use of scripted laugh lines is going overboard.
-Bill Richardson didn't look like a pale, unprepared zombie for once.
-Wasting time asking if prayer can stop a natural disaster was pathetic, as was asking if Barack Obama is ready to be president. They predictably changed the subject to talk about themselves.
-Complaining about not getting enough time to speak does not make anyone like you more. Kucinich and Gravel need to realize it only makes them look whiny, especially when they're using some of their precious time to talk about how little time they have.
-Gravel would be much better if he didn't go crazy sometimes. His angry rebel routine crashes and burns when he can't even figure out what he's saying (bringing up Iran randomly and then fumbling to what countries he wanted to say when trying to discuss countries with good teacher merit pay programs...wtf)
-They all complain too much about hypotheticals. Considering none of them have been President, how can we know what they're going to do without seeing how they respond to hypothetical situations. I notice nobody has any trouble saying "If we are still in Iraq when I enter office, I will start the withdrawal." I guess it's only the hypotheticals they don't like that nobody can ask about.
-I wish people would just answer the question. You might as well not even have questions the way they dodge them to say what they wish. The moderator could just name a topic and then let them ramble for a minute, it'd save question time.
-Dodd does an excellent job blending into the background.
-Mitt Romney decided to comment on today's debate, I'm sure his thoughtful commentary was respectful and fair. Okay, it wasn't, no shock there. I guess when he throws things out like "We should double Guantanamo," that's him demonstrating the kind of leadership we need in presidential debates. I can't wait to hear Rudy Giuliani's consistent post-debate insult of the Democrats. Maybe he'll say "I spent more time at the Democratic Debate than any of the Democrats!"
 
 
09 August 2007 @ 04:14 pm
NEW YORK (AP) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton, who chastised rival Barack Obama for ruling out the use of nuclear weapons in the war on terror, did just that when asked about Iran a year ago.

"I would certainly take nuclear weapons off the table," she said in April 2006.

Her views expressed while she was gearing up for a presidential run stand in conflict with her comments this month regarding Obama, who faced heavy criticism from leaders of both parties, including Clinton, after saying it would be "a profound mistake" to deploy nuclear weapons in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

"There's been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That's not on the table," he said.

Clinton, who has tried to cast her rival as too inexperienced for the job of commander in chief, said of Obama's stance on Pakistan: "I don't believe that any president should make any blanket statements with respect to the use or non-use of nuclear weapons."

But that's exactly what she did in an interview with Bloomberg Television in April 2006. The New York senator, a member of the Armed Services committee, was asked about reports that the Bush administration was considering military intervention—possibly even a nuclear strike—to prevent Iran from escalating its nuclear program.

"I have said publicly no option should be off the table, but I would certainly take nuclear weapons off the table," Clinton said. "This administration has been very willing to talk about using nuclear weapons in a way we haven't seen since the dawn of a nuclear age. I think that's a terrible mistake."

Clinton's views on the potential use of nuclear weapons appear to have changed since then.

Her campaign spokesman, Phil Singer, said the circumstances for her remarks last year were different than the situation Obama faced.

"She was asked to respond to specific reports that the Bush-Cheney administration was actively considering nuclear strikes on Iran even as it refused to engage diplomatically," he said. "She wasn't talking about a broad hypothetical nor was she speaking as a presidential candidate. Given the saber-rattling that was coming from the Bush White House at the time, it was totally appropriate and necessary to respond to that report and call it the wrong policy."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QTM5TO0&show_article=1

 
 
08 August 2007 @ 10:10 pm

-Not surprisingly, there was way too much pandering to organized labor. It's funny how they're so fierce in their criticism of lobbyists and corporations while discussing how wonderful unions are. Let's face it, unions put in their share of unreasonable self serving behavior. That's the major problem, the adversarial system of labor vs business. Also, I know the crowd didn't want to hear it, but sometimes comparative advantage does cause some jobs to move. Maybe companies should do more to help workers that they're screwing over but it's overreaching to stay that these companies should be held hostage by workers who would abandon them in a minute if they had a better opportunity.
-I wonder if the applause that Obama got/boos that Hillary, Dodd, and Biden got on Pakistan translate to the rest of the country.
-Lots of these people have great ideas, but sometimes I think they're being unrealistic with all of their promises. You can't just say "Well, we're going to leave Iraq and that'll save a ton of money." The fact is that the money spent on Iraq is not money that was shifted from other noble causes, it was money that probably never should have been spent in the first place. You can't criticize the deficit and say you'll divert all of Bush's spending to other forms of spending at the same time. Maybe I'm just cynical, but I think they're overestimating the power of the president to push anything through to make their plans sound better.
-It's time for Hillary to stop the "Why are we arguing? We all hate Bush" comments. I know she's the frontrunner and that's her strategy but it's becoming annoying.
-Only John Edwards even attempted to answer the question posed about what if Al Qaeda takes over Iraq. I guess they don't even want to say the words but they should be mature enough to admit that if Al Qaeda takes over Iraq, we might have to go back in. The point is that they don't believe that is going to happen and you make policy weighing the costs and benefits of what you think will happen not just the worst case scenario. Clearly they don't think Iraq is going to fall to Al Qaeda if we leave and that's why they're willing to withdraw some/all troops. They pretty much all ducked the question to give more Iraq rhetoric.
-Having regular people asking questions is a waste of time. Considering that virtually all of the audience questioners asked questions that were equivalent to standard moderator questions and did it in triple the time (they speak like they're looking at a broken teleprompter), it's not worth it. They have less than 90 minutes and they're using it to have people meander through their questions at a snail's pace. Just let Olbermann read the audience submitted questions.
-Speaking of audience questions, I was appalled how many candidates totally disrespected the questioners by ignoring their questions and talking about other subjects that they wanted to mention. I recall Biden and Clinton specifically and I think a few others might've as well. You wait all this time and have to build up the nerve to ask a question in front of thousands of people and they won't even answer you, that's just bad.
-It's time for the mics to be cut when candidates exceed the time limit. If you can't follow simple rules, maybe we shouldn't trust that you'll follow the Constitution and laws when you don't feel like it either. I know it's an exaggeration but seriously, follow directions.
-Without Mike Gravel stealing his thunder, Dennis Kucinich shined as Underdog.
-Another underwhelming night for Bill Richardson. I'm not a fan of any of the bold ideas he offers.

 
 
08 August 2007 @ 11:38 am

A good post by Tom Bevan on the RCP blog that pretty much encapsulates the whole Pakistan situation and last night's developments. I haven't watched it yet, I'll make some comments later.

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2007/08/common_sense_vs_strategic_ambi.html

 
 
06 August 2007 @ 10:11 pm
These presidential candidates love to say things that sound good for them or bad for their opponents, but they're not always true. Maybe it's time the media spends more time calling them on it. At least Giuliani was confronted yesterday when he tried to alter his own quote from days earlier in his attempt to slam Obama.

Duncan Hunter (August 5th Debate): "Not a single Democrat candidate paused in their rush for the exit to say to our Marines, 'Good job. You guys are fighting and achieving, with blood, sweat and tears, what this country needs.'"

Hillary Clinton (July 23rd Debate): "Well, I want to thank her and her son for their service and their sacrifice. When we send a soldier or Marine to combat in Iraq, we really are sending a family."

Barack Obama (July 23rd Debate): "Our soldiers have done everything that's been asked of them. They deposed Saddam Hussein. They have carried out extraordinarily difficult missions with great courage and great bravery."

John Edwards (July 23rd Debate): "Anyone who has any question about whether women can serve this country honorably in the military should meet Sally Bardon, who's sitting with my wife Elizabeth down there. She flew fighter jets, F-16s, into the first 15 minutes of the war in Iraq. Flew over Baghdad. She put her life at risk, at the very beginning of the war. Anybody who has any questions about whether women can serve courageously and honorably, need to meet women like Sally Bardon."

Clearly, Mr. Hunter, these Democratic candidates have no respect for the troops and show no gratitude for their service. It sounded good at the time and I'm sure most people won't bother taking 10 minutes to check the transcript of previous debates or speeches to notice your blatant lie. (Transcripts are available after each debate on the New York Times website and sometimes other places as well) You probably could find another dozen of these falsehoods in every debate and even stronger evidence of clear insults to people's intelligence, but don't think the media is going to take the time to check. They're too worried about who "won" or had the best one liner.
 
 
 
 

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